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Paul Irey Doesn’t Like Us. We Are Not Shedding Tears.

In our post “Dear Birthers: Grasping at Straws Hurts the Conservative Cause,” we showed how the work and analysis of a “Paul Irey,” an “expert in typography” as proclaimed by World Net Daily was somewhat shoddy, to say the least. The quality of the work of Mr. Irey was not the main focus of our piece. The focus was that “birthers” – those who continue to claim that Obama is not an American citizen and or his birth certificates are not “real” – are a distraction to the main issues of the upcoming presidential campaign and election. We believe, and stated, that the vast majority of the country have made up their minds about the “birther” issue and as such, it is a distraction to other more compelling issues that resonate with voters.

We were therefore surprised and somewhat shocked when a comment left on the post was made by the aforementioned Paul Irey.

We thought we had given Mr. Irey’s work a pretty thorough, albeit “light” bashing in the original post, but apparently he was not satisfied. That is not surprising. One thing that we have noticed over the years is that conspiracy theorists have a thought process that relies more on perception rather than reality. For example, a conspiracy theorist will say, “Look at ‘A’!” as support for his theory. When “A” is de-bunked, the conspiracy theorist will respond with “but look at ‘B’!” After debunking “B,” the conspiracy theorist will say, “Ah! But look at ‘C’!” When “C” is debunked also, they will return to “A” or a variation of “A.” After awhile, with all the permutations of the debunked theories they maintain are legitimate, a person is tired of the battle and simply says “whatever.” The conspiracy theorist will then say “you need to look at all the evidence!” even though you have discredited all of the evidence.

One person described this type of thought pattern as “roaches after the lights come on.” It is a weird name, but at the same time, it makes the point that if you kill one roach in your home, there are others – more in fact – because the roaches are able to reproduce faster than you can kill them. You may end up killing them to the point where they are out of your home, but they never go away. They never accept defeat. They will never listen to rational thought.
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More On Blind Squirrels.

Yesterday in a post we talked about how Orly Taitz and alleged “expert” Paul Irey had trotted out another document which they claim is a forgery.

One of the things we addressed was the size of the “USA’s” on the document. We read Irey’s claim to mean that at least one was different size from the others. A friend called today and said that he thought that Irey was claiming that the “USA’s” were different in size from other information in the document.

We pulled the text from two other places on the document – line 1a where the title is listed and also line 4a, where the Copyright Claimants are listed.

We did the same thing as we had done previously. We have already demonstrated that all of the “USA’s” are the same size, so we cut the “USA” from line 2a, changed to hue to some shade of ugly orange, and then changed the opacity to be able to see the shape below it.

Certificate-of-Copyright-Other-Sizes-ROH

As you can see, the letters and sizes match up perfectly. Even if we misunderstood what Irey was trying to say, it doesn’t matter. He is wrong no matter which way he tries to spin this.

Just another day in the office where a blind squirrels go hungry.



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Sometimes Blind Squirrels Go Hungry.

Taitz-Irey-ROH As a lot of blogs are covering the Bergdahl / Taliban prisoner exchange we decided to head on over to self proclaimed “Birther Queen” Orly Taitz to see what was happening in her world.

There are a lot of posts with the normal “woe is me,” “the world is against me,” and “can you donate to the cause?” type posts.

BTW – in all our years of watching Taitz, we have never see her give an accounting of the money she has collected in donations. That does not mean she has not done so, but we have never see it. In fact, unlike other sites that seek donations, we have never seen her state how much she has collected from people.

While we were skimming her site we came across a post where she has taken up the cause that a Certificate of Copyright issued for Obama’s book “Dream of My Fathers” was forged. Leading the charge with this accusation was our ol’ buddy Paul Irey. We clashed with Paul Irey before on Raised on Hoecakes over his belief and fatally flawed “investigation” into the Obama Hawaii birth certificate. Irey has now turned his sights on the Certificate of Copyright.

The blinds squirrels of Irey and Taitz are looking for nuts, but alas, they go hungry.

Here is the the document in question:

Writing to Taitz, Irey says in part:

Otherwise I think it should be made public that the one you have presents a form with typewriter type from an old manual typewriter not likely used at Random House publishing in 1994.
In addition … the part of the form identifying the country of birth … USA … is typed twice on the in two places but the size of the typewriter type is obviously not the same for each.

Irey’s assertion that Random House would not have used a manual typewriter (and we assume he means an electric typewriter as well) fails the test.
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“Birther” Taitz Loses Again. In Other News, Water Is Wet And The Sun Is Hot.

Orly-Taitz-ROH EDITOR’S NOTE: We are still working on our second post of a series on the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut. We promised it for today, but unfortunately is it not ready for posting. We apologize.

Some corners of the conservative world were all a-titter as dentist, real estate agent and lawyer Orly Taitz had filed a lawsuit claiming Barack Obama was not eligible to be president as he is not a “natural born citizen” as required by the US Constitution Article 2, section 1, clause 5. The case is Noonan v. Bowen (2:12-CV-02997-MCE-DAD,) and was filed on December 13, 2012.

While the case was being scheduled, Taitz filed a motion for a temporary restraining order (TRO) to prevent California Electors from casting their Electoral College votes for Obama as well as seeking to stop California Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying the state’s election results.

Taitz was granted a hearing on the TRO which was scheduled for January 3, 2013.

This too set the “birther nation” all a-twitter.

We read post after post and tweet after tweet saying Taitz’s case would be heard in front of the Supreme Court on January 3.

“Finally,” they exclaimed, “we can get rid of the guy who is ineligible to sit in the White House!”

When we read the posts and tweets, we had to hang our head in shame. There is just so much wrong with them. First, the case was being held in the Federal Court for the Eastern District of California. That is not only the US Supreme Court as many of the posts and tweets imply, but it is not even the California Supreme Court. Secondly, a hearing for a TRO is not the same thing as a trial.

Taitz wanted to present witnesses but the judge, using rules for federal courts, ruled that the arguments would be oral arguments restricted to 20 minutes per side.

Taitz was not happy and according to news reports from the hearing spent a great deal of time arguing that she should be able to present witnesses.
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“Birthers” Lose In Georgia. Obama Allowed to Appear On March Ballot.

Another case challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama has ended in a judgment for Obama.

On Friday, February 3, 2012, Georgia State Judge Michael M. Malihi entered a verdict for Obama in what seemed to be a promising case to have Obama declared ineligible to be president. This makes the tally 99 cases filed against Obama’s eligibility. Of the 99, 8 are still pending. The remaining 91 have been dismissed or decided in favor of Obama’s eligibility.

But the Georgia case was different. Under Georgia law, a voter could ask the Secretary of State to verify the eligibility of a person appearing on a ballot. The State looked at the evidence and declared Obama to be eligible. But under the same law, the voter could appeal the decision of the Secretary of State and ask for a hearing in front of an administrative judge. The plaintiffs did just that and the case was assigned to Judge Malihi.

For the hearing, Obama’s attorney Michael Jablonski was issued a subpoena for Obama himself to appear in court. Jablonski attempted to have the subpoena quashed but Judge Malihi ruled against him saying in part:

In support of his motion, Defendant argues that “if enforced, [the subpoena] requires him to interrupt duties as President of the United States” to attend a hearing in Atlanta, Georgia. However, Defendant fails to provide any legal authority to support his motion to quash the subpoena to attend. Defendant’s motion suggests that no President should be compelled to attend a Court hearing. This may be correct. But Defendant has failed to enlighten the Court with any legal authority. Specifically, Defendant has failed to cite to any legal authority evidencing why his attendance is “unreasonable or oppressive, or that the testimony… [is] irrelevant, immaterial, or cumulative and unnecessary to a party’s preparation or presentation at the hearing, or that basic fairness dictates that the subpoena should not be enforced.” Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. r. 616-1-2-.19(5).

There actually is a great deal of precedence for quashing a subpoena for the appearance of a sitting American president. The law has often recognized that sitting presidents have more important things to do than to respond in person to every lawsuit filed against them. (Even Thomas Jefferson refused to answer a subpoena.) While Jablonski was technically right, in what appears to be a case of bad lawyering, he forgot to cite any relevant law or precedent.

When Malihi made this ruling, he was hailed by many who support the birther movement to be one who “upheld the law.” He was praised as a hero for holding Obama to the same standard as other citizens.

A showdown was set for January 26th in Malihi’s courtroom to enter more evidence into the case whether Obama is eligible.
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Big Day For Birthers! Free Lunch, Courtesy of the State of Hawaii.

UPDATE AT END OF POST!

Today is a big day for some of the leaders in the “birther” movement. At 10 AM local time, Orly Taitz, jerome Corsi, Doug Vogt, Paul Irey plan to show up at the Hawaii Department of Health and Human Services to “to examine Barack Obama’s original 1961 typewritten birth certificate.”

Afterwards, Corsi and his band will hold a press conference. (Gee, what a shock that is.)

A little background is necessary. Taitz filed a subpoena in June of 2012. Despite the fact that Taitz had screwed up the filing on procedural grounds, the State of Hawaii responded to Taitz explaining the law to her by citing Hawaii’s Revised Statues 338-18.

(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;
(2) The spouse of the registrant;
(3) A parent of the registrant;
(4) A descendant of the registrant;
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;
(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;
(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
(8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

Taitz fills none of those with a “direct and tangible interest” in the birth certificate.
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We Get Letters! Some Birthers Want it Both Ways.

A few weeks ago, we wrote a post called “Trying to Teach a Pigs to Sing” in which we addressed some of the issues that had been brought to our attention on the “birther” issue. The “birther” issue is where there are some people who claim that the Obama birth certificate is forged.

At the end of the post, (one of four we made on this subject) we said the following:

We are no longer interested in trying to teach pigs to sing. The vast majority of conspiracy theorists, whether they be “birthers,” “truthers,” believers of the “shooter on the grassy knoll,” or “Roosevelt knew of the attack on Pearl Harbor,” cannot be reasoned with. Facts do not matter. Rational discussion does not matter.

To the rest of the birthers who cannot and will not discuss issues and facts, or feel that anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal, an Obama plant, or some other charge made in an ad hominem attack, you are going to have to go to another trough.

This one is closed for you.

Go learn to sing elsewhere.

Why did we say that? Well, it goes back to an assertion we made early on:
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Trying to Teach Pigs to Sing

There is an old saying that goes something like “never try to teach a pig to sing: it is a waste of time and annoys the pig.” For the most part, that has been our experience so far with people in the “birther” movement. Since our last article on the subject addressing just one issue and one “conclusion,” we have had people stop by and leave all sorts of communications with us. Some have been pleasant and engaged in a rational discourse. We thank the people who have discussed the issue in that manner. We have found those people to be respectful and genuinely seeking an intelligent discussion.

On the other hand, there are the “true believers.” These are the folks that will not engage in a debate. These are the folks that will not look at any evidence that is contrary to their beliefs. These are the people that are so convinced that they are right about the birther issue, when trying to discuss it with them, they refuse to discuss a singular issue and stay on point. They will attack anything in order not to discuss a valid point. As we said earlier,

One thing that we have noticed over the years is that conspiracy theorists have a thought process that relies more on perception rather than reality. For example, a conspiracy theorist will say, “Look at ‘A’!” as support for his theory. When “A” is de-bunked, the conspiracy theorist will respond with “but look at ‘B’!” After debunking “B,” the conspiracy theorist will say, “Ah! But look at ‘C’!” When “C” is debunked also, they will return to “A” or a variation of “A.” After awhile, with all the permutations of the debunked theories they maintain are legitimate, a person is tired of the battle and simply says “whatever.” The conspiracy theorist will then say “you need to look at all the evidence!” even though you have discredited all of the evidence.

We will generally welcome people here that are interested in a debate of the facts. We will not suffer people that won’t engage and then act in a trollish manner.
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