Aug 8, 2011
UPDATE AT END OF POST!
Today is a big day for some of the leaders in the “birther” movement. At 10 AM local time, Orly Taitz, jerome Corsi, Doug Vogt, Paul Irey plan to show up at the Hawaii Department of Health and Human Services to “to examine Barack Obama’s original 1961 typewritten birth certificate.”
Afterwards, Corsi and his band will hold a press conference. (Gee, what a shock that is.)
A little background is necessary. Taitz filed a subpoena in June of 2012. Despite the fact that Taitz had screwed up the filing on procedural grounds, the State of Hawaii responded to Taitz explaining the law to her by citing Hawaii’s Revised Statues 338-18.
(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(1) The registrant;
(2) The spouse of the registrant;
(3) A parent of the registrant;
(4) A descendant of the registrant;
(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;
(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;
(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
(8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.
Taitz fills none of those with a “direct and tangible interest” in the birth certificate.
Jul 9, 2011
A few weeks ago, we wrote a post called “Trying to Teach a Pigs to Sing” in which we addressed some of the issues that had been brought to our attention on the “birther” issue. The “birther” issue is where there are some people who claim that the Obama birth certificate is forged.
At the end of the post, (one of four we made on this subject) we said the following:
We are no longer interested in trying to teach pigs to sing. The vast majority of conspiracy theorists, whether they be “birthers,” “truthers,” believers of the “shooter on the grassy knoll,” or “Roosevelt knew of the attack on Pearl Harbor,” cannot be reasoned with. Facts do not matter. Rational discussion does not matter.
To the rest of the birthers who cannot and will not discuss issues and facts, or feel that anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal, an Obama plant, or some other charge made in an ad hominem attack, you are going to have to go to another trough.
This one is closed for you.
Go learn to sing elsewhere.
Why did we say that? Well, it goes back to an assertion we made early on:
Jun 17, 2011
In our post “Dear Birthers: Grasping at Straws Hurts the Conservative Cause,” we showed how the work and analysis of a “Paul Irey,” an “expert in typography” as proclaimed by World Net Daily was somewhat shoddy, to say the least. The quality of the work of Mr. Irey was not the main focus of our piece. The focus was that “birthers” – those who continue to claim that Obama is not an American citizen and or his birth certificates are not “real” – are a distraction to the main issues of the upcoming presidential campaign and election. We believe, and stated, that the vast majority of the country have made up their minds about the “birther” issue and as such, it is a distraction to other more compelling issues that resonate with voters.
We were therefore surprised and somewhat shocked when a comment left on the post was made by the aforementioned Paul Irey.
We thought we had given Mr. Irey’s work a pretty thorough, albeit “light” bashing in the original post, but apparently he was not satisfied. That is not surprising. One thing that we have noticed over the years is that conspiracy theorists have a thought process that relies more on perception rather than reality. For example, a conspiracy theorist will say, “Look at ‘A’!” as support for his theory. When “A” is de-bunked, the conspiracy theorist will respond with “but look at ‘B’!” After debunking “B,” the conspiracy theorist will say, “Ah! But look at ‘C’!” When “C” is debunked also, they will return to “A” or a variation of “A.” After awhile, with all the permutations of the debunked theories they maintain are legitimate, a person is tired of the battle and simply says “whatever.” The conspiracy theorist will then say “you need to look at all the evidence!” even though you have discredited all of the evidence.
One person described this type of thought pattern as “roaches after the lights come on.” It is a weird name, but at the same time, it makes the point that if you kill one roach in your home, there are others – more in fact – because the roaches are able to reproduce faster than you can kill them. You may end up killing them to the point where they are out of your home, but they never go away. They never accept defeat. They will never listen to rational thought.
Jun 16, 2011
For those of you who missed it, we wrote a post the other day concerning how the “birther” issue was a distraction to the conservative cause. In it, we commented on the work of one “Paul Irey” who the folks at World Net Daily claimed to be an “expert.” We were surprised that Irey took the time to write in our comment section that we were “bogus” and a “fool.”
Where we come from, “‘dem be fightin’ words.”
We are, at this point in time, preparing a detailed post examining fully Irey’s claims and “expertise” in the necessary fields to determine whether the Obama birth certificate is a forgery or not.
Because of the depth of the upcoming post, it is a light posting day today.
We want to make clear one thing. We don’t have a dog in this fight. Whether the Obama birth certificate is real or forged is not something we are going to decide. The post on Irey’s claim will deal with his work, his analysis and his eventual conclusion.
When we first wrote the original post that sparked this discussion, our intention was merely to say to the “birthers,” there are other, better issues that resonate with the undecided and independent voters than the birth certificate issue.” We wrote then and continue to believe now that the issue is a distraction and in fact, hurts the conservative cause.
Jun 12, 2011
We, the rational conservatives of these United States, wish that you would shut up about the birth certificate of President Barack Obama. There is a “guilt by association” factor and the fact that your theories are looney, delusional and devoid of reality makes you no different than those who think the Apollo moon landings never occurred.
Please, we beg you, stop appearing as nuts to the average voter who knows the eligibility issue to be settled in both fact and in law.
The latest foray into the birth certificate nonsense comes from a familiar source – the nuts at World Net Daily who on June 7, 2011 proclaimed “Expert: Obama doc is ‘proof’ – of fraud”
“My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter,” Irey told WND.
“Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that,” he said. “This document is definitely a forgery.”
The “expert” is one Paul Irey, who worked as a typographer for over fifty years. Setting type was a specialized skills back in the 1960′s. However, it has nothing to do with the document at hand. Why? Because setting type does not give you expertise in current scanning methods, issues with OCR programs, paper types or typewriter ink absorption into paper.
Irey’s argument centers around this “analysis:”